Winter: Your MPG

[Jaber]

Just wondering, what's everyone MPG like in the winter?

I seem to average out around 18MPG city driving, waste gas w/remote start. But I like my car toasty.

This morning I was at half a tank and got 14MPG this week, but I think something is going on. It's been bogging a bit on lower RPMs going 40+

[Chris]

The colder it gets, the worse your MPG until the car is warmed up... MPG also goes way down due to the amount of time you let the car sit idling warming up before you move it out of the driveway for example....

[Mr Grey]

I have no idea. Haven't taken a calculation but it's not that good. I'll get back to you next week :D

[Jaber]

I have no idea. Haven't taken a calculation but it's not that good. I'll get back to you next week :D

During high gas prices, sometimes it's better not to think about it lol. :faintthud:

[Chris]

gas prices aren't that bad right now though... lol

Costs $25 to fill up the tank instead of $55

[SuperNet33]

13.8 :(

[Mr.Duck]

i've been averagin about 20-21, but about a month ago i for a few fill ups it was as low as 17, and highest of 19... but lately been averaging about 21ish...

[Biggs]

i have been driving the ralliart alot. Average is suppose to be 17 normally, but as of right now i'm getting like 10mpg with an average speed of 8mph in the city.....

[TurTLe]

car states 16.4...

[THT]

Rav4 usually gets 25-26mpg on the highway. Drove last night only got 220 miles out of 10 gallons...

[ColombianMax]

On my latest long trip to Grand Rapids, I put 15.5 galons of gas and did about 390 miles on that tank of gas...25.16 ish mpg but I did a lot of idling while there as well as unplowed snow driving.

Sept 2008 I drove to Atlanta, 90mph average speed + A/C on, two people, and 50 lbs worth of weight in the trunk and I got the same miles except on 14 galons of gas.. weird

[Chris]

lol.. best MPG we got in the 2001 Sentra SE 2.0 was 36mpg but that was at high elevation in the mountains (above 5000 feet)... less power but better mpg....

[walec05]

yeah, i get pretty crappy gas mileage with the highlander. that damn V6 is thirsty. i get around 18mpg, if im not as gentle with the throttle or sit in a lot of traffic, i get no more than 15mpg. on the highway the best i ever got was driving from chitown to detroit. got there on one tank but only got 23-24mpg....tops.

[Kowalski]

16 in teh v8 so far this winter...

[DasTeknoViking]

I do about 24MPG combined, but I have seen 26MPG lately.

AWD+VR6+6M/T = Wunderbar.

[Xmax]

Getting about 21mpg on the speed6, I usually drive in rush hour traffic going to and from work.

[nismo3112]

Getting 24mpg mixed in a Honda Civic DX. Ouch..

[Grzesiu]

could care less, dont keep track, gas is cheap

[ColombianMax]

could care less, dont keep track, gas is cheap

tell me about it, i used to get unlimited gas for free during the summer:badger:

[kerosene]

The colder it gets, the worse your MPG until the car is warmed up... MPG also goes way down due to the amount of time you let the car sit idling warming up before you move it out of the driveway for example....

it's actually more so the fact that there is more alcohol in the gas so it does not freeze with the cold weather...

21ish

[ColombianMax]

Well, I watched "The day after tomorrow" and they said gas froze at -58 or something like that, I'm sure that didnt have alcohol in it :p

[kerosene]

Well, I watched "The day after tomorrow" and they said gas froze at -58 or something like that, I'm sure that didnt have alcohol in it :p
which is somewhat correct, it depends on who makes it and what they put in the gas... some companies water their shit down more so it freezez at -40 some add more alcohol so it freezez at -60 all dependent on company

[RobSE]

The best I did was over the summer, 33mpg to Wisconsin dells and back on one tank of gas :) Probably could have done better, but I was going 80 the whole way. At 80 my car screams at 3,600rpm, at a speed of 60 I think 36-39mpg would be possible.

Right now, I probably get around 18-22mpg. Not bad, I don't take it easy and I let the car warm up for a really long time.

I wish my car had a overdrive 6th gear :(

[ColombianMax]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 6th gears sounds really nice to me... I wouldn't mind adding one more to the 5 I have right now

[Chris]

SpecV tranny transplant ;)

then you can have 6th gear and better LSD

lol

[Grzesiu]

SpecV tranny transplant ;)

then you can have 6th gear and better LSD

lol

i love the 6 speed in the versa, it feels better than my brother sr20 5 speed b15
gotta race him for slips at racewars lol

[sandplasma]

I'm surprised to see I'm the only one with 26+ here. I drive a 1996 200SX during the winter and its well past 30mpg with its 1.6L engine. I drive 40 miles to and 40 miles from work every day. :)

[Mr Grey]

Highway people will ALWAYS get better mileage....moreso on something less than 2 liters.



Most of my driving is city, with very little highway. Therefore I have to baby the car more if i want to get what people in the burbs get.

[Jaber]

Highway people will ALWAYS get better mileage....moreso on something less than 2 liters.



Most of my driving is city, with very little highway. Therefore I have to baby the car more if i want to get what people in the burbs get.

w3rd.

When I went to rockford (Well, it's around rockford) in 2006, I was able to get back home with about 2 gallons.

I put in 2 gallons of gas before hitting the highway, did the calculations and got 40MPG. I did baby the throttle.

[RobSE]

i love the 6 speed in the versa, it feels better than my brother sr20 5 speed b15
gotta race him for slips at racewars lol

BS the versa transmission feels like shit, worse then in a GEO. B15 sr20 trans is slick, with direct shifts, not some clunky ass wobbly Versa 6 speed. Second of all, all the cars you own, the transmissions shift like shit. Vette.....shit....Maxima.....lol complete shit, 3rd gear grind FTL.......and Versa i already said what i thought.......

k
thx
bye

P.S. u suck, i kick ur ass at home :catfight:

[Mr.Duck]

BS the versa transmission feels like shit, worse then in a GEO. B15 sr20 trans is slick, with direct shifts, not some clunky ass wobbly Versa 6 speed. Second of all, all the cars you own, the transmissions shift like shit. Vette.....shit....Maxima.....lol complete shit, 3rd gear grind FTL.......and Versa i already said what i thought.......

k
thx
bye

P.S. u suck, i kick ur ass at home

wow i can feel the brotherly love on this one... :catfight:

[RobSE]

wow i can feel the brotherly love on this one... :catfight:

he thinks he's hot shit :slap:

[Mr Grey]

About time we start Fight Club............

[RobSE]

About time we start Fight Club............

you know how I know gregs gay?







his dick tastes like shit :runcold:




you know how i know?








paul told me :hide:

[Jaber]

O/T

Hector, nice avatar.. ha!

[Grzesiu]

BS the versa transmission feels like shit, worse then in a GEO. B15 sr20 trans is slick, with direct shifts, not some clunky ass wobbly Versa 6 speed. Second of all, all the cars you own, the transmissions shift like shit. Vette.....shit....Maxima.....lol complete shit, 3rd gear grind FTL.......and Versa i already said what i thought.......

k
thx
bye

P.S. u suck, i kick ur ass at home :catfight:

well all the cars i own are performance cars, with race transmissions:)
maxima trans is just like it was when new, first year of the 6 speed, the vette trans is pretty buck out of the factory, it can handle some serious horsepower, and the versa has a nice short throw
now grab your pos weak 3rd gear trans and puttttt away
:catfight:

my maxima record on the highway was 36.3 mpg
vette 30 mpg
versa didnt measure yet

my 255 manly VQ power plant gets better gas mileage then you girly sr20, even when it burned oil on the old motor it was still better:)

[RobSE]

well all the cars i own are performance cars, with race transmissions:)
maxima trans is just like it was when new, first year of the 6 speed, the vette trans is pretty buck out of the factory, it can handle some serious horsepower, and the versa has a nice short throw
now grab your pos weak 3rd gear trans and puttttt away
:catfight:

my maxima record on the highway was 36.3 mpg
vette 30 mpg
versa didnt measure yet

my 255 manly VQ power plant gets better gas mileage then you girly sr20, even when it burned oil on the old motor it was still better:)

Race transmissions? thats funny cause i don't recall bmw ever using a clunky griding transmission on their cars. 36.3mpg.......forgot to mention the fact you were driving 60mph, behind a trailer. My punny little SR20 would top that no problem. "girly" SR20? Many hold more power on stock internals then a VQ would ever. B15 trans are stronger then the older models. Those people killing b13/b14 trans are pushing 300hp+, many using slicks or equivalent tires.

[Kowalski]

this thread is epic, will read again!

[walec05]

BS the versa transmission feels like shit, worse then in a GEO. B15 sr20 trans is slick, with direct shifts, not some clunky ass wobbly Versa 6 speed. Second of all, all the cars you own, the transmissions shift like shit. Vette.....shit....Maxima.....lol complete shit, 3rd gear grind FTL.......and Versa i already said what i thought.......

k
thx
bye

P.S. u suck, i kick ur ass at home :catfight:

i have to agree. shifting that trans felt like crap. all clunky and crap. i didnt like it one bit. the damn honda accord i drove here at work shifted better. half the time i shifted i though i didnt have the clutch in all the way because it would clunk or knock.

[walec05]

you know how I know gregs gay?



his dick tastes like shit :runcold:

you know how i know?

paul told me :hide:

fuck you. and fuck your B15 sentra. that 2.0L is garbage and your trans is crap too......

[RobSE]

:drinkingbuds: im sorki :tears:

[walec05]

:drinkingbuds: im sorki :tears:

your not even old enough to drink. not only are you making fun of me, but you want me to go to jail for drinking with a minor. shit nig.

[DasTeknoViking]

WoW I get away from the forum for one day, and ya fighting. This reminds me of me and my bro. We would always get into the Jap vs Nazi fights all the time, and in the end I would win because I start throwing all kinds of techno words at him and loose him.

So, 6MT in all Nissans feels like sh!t. 5MT was a much nicer feeling trans. SR20s spin rod bearings due to their design problem, and VQ35s have oil burning issues.

With a Vette comes Viagra and grey hair.

[RobSE]

^that makes 3 of us greg, now say sorry to your little brother, tell him how cool his car is, do it :runcold:

[DasTeknoViking]

Drove my womans Focus, 389 miles yesterday at a 9 gallon fill up....

03 SOHC 2.0L 110HP of furry A/T sedan. Its old, nasty but runs alright and its now sporting a set of Toyos and a bad ass alignment all me as of yesterday.

Powered by Cosworth bishes.

[RobSE]

Any G-Tech numbers for us?

[DasTeknoViking]

Eats Versas = fast

[walec05]

So, 6MT in all Nissans feels like sh!t. 5MT was a much nicer feeling trans. SR20s spin rod bearings due to their design problem, and VQ35s have oil burning issues.

yeah agreed, the 6speeds are kind of eh....but the 5 speed ones, even in the pickup trucks and suv's are pretty damn smooth.

so yea, greg you loose this battle.

[Grzesiu]

yeah agreed, the 6speeds are kind of eh....but the 5 speed ones, even in the pickup trucks and suv's are pretty damn smooth.

so yea, greg you loose this battle.

i never lost it, you never had your car

[DasTeknoViking]

True, coming from a guy who probably has a A/T tranny on his bike.

Damn Paul, you never owned a M/T tranny in your life. Your whole family has slushes - HA HA.

My woman can drive my R32.

[97SMG]

Drove my womans Focus, 389 miles yesterday at a 9 gallon fill up....

03 SOHC 2.0L 110HP of furry A/T sedan. Its old, nasty but runs alright and its now sporting a set of Toyos and a bad ass alignment all me as of yesterday.

Powered by Cosworth bishes.


Great thread.....

Mikes post made me laugh... I feel like buying a focus now. Way to make the POS look like you were talking about an Audi.

[walec05]

True, coming from a guy who probably has a A/T tranny on his bike.

Damn Paul, you never owned a M/T tranny in your life. Your whole family has slushes - HA HA.

My woman can drive my R32.

nah, we all owned A/T's but thats because its easier. my mom uses my car alot if im parked on the driveway. then my pops uses it. its just easier for them. i know my pops can drive mt, but he just said that he doesnt need one in the city.

damn, ive driven mt for quite a few years now. its a piece of cake, but id get bored of it quick while driving. when i had to do parts runs in the 07 frontier that was a mt, i got really tired of it when i was sitting in rush hour traffic on the edens or in the city.

[Chris]

SR20s spin rod bearings due to their design problem,

wow.. design problem? care to explain that one or you just talking shit?

Then why do we have a p11 with almost 200k miles and great compression still? (bought from original owner do did prompt oil changes every 3k miles)

..and why do I know of plenty of others with over 200k miles on the original engine? ...yet I know of a friend with a caravan whose engine barely made it 150k miles and had to be replaced?.... and replaced again after another 100k despite prompt oil changes!

The sr20de is sensitive to oil changes, YES (you get sludge build up if you don't do proper oil changes).. but duh, that happens to just about any car if you dont' do this simple maintenance.


I can tell you this, the sr20de is going to last longer than the VW R32 engine and I will never track the R32 due to not trusting it to handle it as well as the sr20... lol

The sr20 we have in our track car has been beat hard (high in the revs yet going strong and it had 110k to start with good compression!)

[walec05]

maybe he means when its boosted with boat loads of power?!?!?!!?

[Feus]

WoW I get away from the forum for one day, and ya fighting. This reminds me of me and my bro. We would always get into the Jap vs Nazi fights all the time, and in the end I would win because I start throwing all kinds of techno words at him and loose him.

So, 6MT in all Nissans feels like sh!t. 5MT was a much nicer feeling trans. SR20s spin rod bearings due to their design problem, and VQ35s have oil burning issues.

With a Vette comes Viagra and grey hair.

I've had a few SR20's both boosted and non, and i've never run into a problem with one as long as it was properly maintained. Mr. VW Tech, do we need to get into all the assortment of issues VW's have? because I can go on for hours :D I know those cars VERY well and have owned and still own one. Next thing i know your going to complain because the RX-8 "burns oil too" :catfight:




Powered by Cosworth bishes. Actually they aren't... Only the RS models in Europe were.

Eats Versas = fast So my peddle bike is fast? :D

[Grzesiu]

I've had a few SR20's both boosted and non, and i've never run into a problem with one as long as it was properly maintained. Mr. VW Tech, do we need to get into all the assortment of issues VW's have? because I can go on for hours :D I know those cars VERY well and have owned and still own one. Next thing i know your going to complain because the RX-8 "burns oil too" :catfight:



Actually they aren't... Only the RS models in Europe were.

So my peddle bike is fast? :D

bring on your peddle bike boy
hehehe
as far as cosworth he was joking, gotta understand the sarcasm and humor of this forum hehehe

[Feus]

bring on your peddle bike boy
hehehe
as far as cosworth he was joking, gotta understand the sarcasm and humor of this forum hehehe

he must have been sarcastic about the SR20 then too. From now on i'll just take any response from the boss as him being sarcastic and joking arround then :D :banana: you guys are such jokers...

And i actually liked the versa I almost bought one. They aren't that bad and ZOMG SUPER roomy inside...

[Mr Grey]

I need butter for my popcorn.

I have learned to look at everyone's post, and wait for it :D



BTW, yes...there are plenty of jokers round here. The Cosworth comment was def a joke. The SR comment was probably half and half. It happens, but it's not an everyday thing. either way, i know less about cars so I'm defending any side....jsut enjoying the show. :andy:

[RobSE]

And i actually liked the versa I almost bought one. They aren't that bad and ZOMG SUPER roomy inside...

The car is huge inside, not matter how tall you are and where you sit. Way bigger then a Fit, but not as athletic.

Chris, what kind of oil do you use on your SR20s? How often do you change it? I use Mobil 1 Synthetic, change it every 5K.

[Grzesiu]

The car is huge inside, not matter how tall you are and where you sit. Way bigger then a Fit, but not as athletic.

Chris, what kind of oil do you use on your SR20s? How often do you change it? I use Mobil 1 Synthetic, change it every 5K.

not as athletic?

mobil 1 in the vette lasts 6k easy (oil life monitor)
but they recommend to change it after each full track day in the owners manual

[RobSE]

not as athletic?


A fit is smaller, lighter, and more nimbler. Not to mention quicker in the straight aways.

[Chris]

The car is huge inside, not matter how tall you are and where you sit. Way bigger then a Fit, but not as athletic.

Chris, what kind of oil do you use on your SR20s? How often do you change it? I use Mobil 1 Synthetic, change it every 5K.

after recent oil analysis threads on various forums and stories of failures from mobile 1 in various engines, we use penzoil synthetic on the sr20 (5w30) and change it every 3k or 3 months.

The track use SR20 g20 gets an oil change after every track day so we do go through a lot of oil in summer.. lol.

[Feus]

A fit is smaller, lighter, and more nimbler. Not to mention quicker in the straight aways.

not to be a nitpick on words... but it would be "more nimble" nimbler isn't a word.... just saying.

[RobSE]

Many people on b15sentra use mobile 1 synthetic, haven't seen any problems. Maybe the RR sr20 is designed a bit differently, who knows.

BTW, Check out my header thread, I had a couple questions for you.

[RobSE]

not to be a nitpick on words... but it would be "more nimble" nimbler isn't a word.... just saying.

damn grammar nazi in the house :eekwavey:, but atleast you know what i meant

[Grzesiu]

A fit is smaller, lighter, and more nimbler. Not to mention quicker in the straight aways.

that is weird since they have identical 1/4 and 0-60 times
Versa
0–60 mph 9.1 sec
0–100 mph 25.5 sec
0–1320 ft (1/4 mile) 16.7 sec @ 84.1 mp
Our mileage, EPA city/highway 32.5, 30/34 mpg
Fit
0–60 mph 9.0 sec
0–100 mph 27.6 sec
0–1320 ft (1/4 mile) 16.7 sec @ 81.8 mph
Our mileage, EPA city/highway 28.5, 33/38 mpg

Versa also traps higher and gets up to 100 faster.

i just out maneuvered you in this cyber dispute

[Feus]

Many people on b15sentra use mobile 1 synthetic, haven't seen any problems. Maybe the RR sr20 is designed a bit differently, who knows.

BTW, Check out my header thread, I had a couple questions for you.

I too have heard about a few people having problems with mobile 1 so i switched to penzoil, amsoil, or royal purple for everything i use.

damn grammar nazi in the house :eekwavey:

honest i'm really not, and i'm probably one of the worst spellers alive too.

[RobSE]

^damn greg the tables have turned...... :faintthud:

[Feus]

^damn greg the tables have turned...... :faintthud:

:badger: *waits for Rob to wip out the G tests, slolum, and skid pad sheets*

[Chris]

Many people on b15sentra use mobile 1 synthetic, haven't seen any problems. Maybe the RR sr20 is designed a bit differently, who knows.

BTW, Check out my header thread, I had a couple questions for you.

Mobil 1 still checks out as better than conventional oil in the oil analysis done BUT is at the bottom. Pricing for Penzoil is cheaper and came up higher/better on the analysis so good enough for us.

I honestly haven't heard of failures on the SR20 with mobil1 but HAVE on cars that came from the factory with Mobil 1 and even know of a reputable Porsche engine builder who used to swear by Mobil1 and stopped using it due to failures once they reformulated it about 4 years ago now...

People get very defensive about their oil choices.. I like to go by facts like oil analysis results (recent ones and not from 10+ years ago when formulations were different).

I'll go find your other thread though to respond....

[Grzesiu]

:badger: *waits for Rob to wip out the G tests, slolum, and skid pad sheets*

i am just busting his chops
but the versa does feel nicer on the inside than the fit
personally i could care less, i am gonna sell it soon

[RobSE]

Edmunds.com
Noisy powertrain at high revs, vague steering, less than athletic handling.

Through our slalom course the Versa was almost 5 mph slower than the Honda, and it pulled only 0.73g on the skid pad compared to the Fit's 0.79g. To be fair, the Fit we tested was a Sport edition and had the advantage of wider, lower-profile tires. A good set of performance tires would do similar wonders for the Versa's handling.

Ehhhh throw some d's on the versa and it will keep up. Long story short, these aren't performance vehicles, they are in a different class then the Cosworth Focus.

BTW, the versa no doubt is a neat DD, probably best in class.

[Grzesiu]

Edmunds.com




Ehhhh throw some d's on the versa and it will keep up. Long story short, these aren't performance vechiles, they are in a different class then the Cosworth Focus.

.95 g feel nice in the vette:)

[walec05]

subscribing to the ass rapeage.

[Grzesiu]

subscribing to the ass rapeage.

i will be waiting for ya tonight....if you do good.....u get the versa for a day

[walec05]

nice. i get to deal with a clunking MT. great. oh well, atleast ill get great gas mileage for a day.

[DasTeknoViking]

I have owned a 91 SE-R, 93 G20, 93 SE-R and almost bought a new 99 G20 back in the day.

I have spun rod bearings in my 93 3 friggn times.... one time it was so bad the main bearings went along with it. I changed my oil TOO often it you ask me.

WHY is it that when you are building a RACE SR, JWT offers you a 360 deg channel through the rod bearings for better oil protection ? I bought a 93 G20 which was maintained per the Nissan book, and it spun a rod bearing.

You might not know me, but I have owned SR powered cars for longer than most of you drive here. I won't own another one because of my VERY sour experience with rod bearing failures. How many SRs have spun rod bearings at EVERY SE-R convention ?

You tell me, I had to tow mine from TX in 99 or 98 because of 3 spun bearings.

Chris, if you knew how to work on cars vs hide behind that screen of yours and all your 10 cars. You would STFU. SRs have a VERY common problem of spinning rod bearings. Go do a poll on the SR forum. I bet out of 10 people 3-4 have done it. And others know about it.

[Chris]

That's funny as hell because I've owned several SR20 powered cars and been on g20 and other sr20 forums for years and yeah, I hear of people blowing their motor who have turboed, put on aftermarket WAI or CAI or other crap but have heard of more who have tons of miles on the original engine.

Too many oil changes? No such thing!!! That is comical. You can change the oil every 10 miles if you want and it won't hurt the engine.

More often what happens is people IGNORE a bent and dented oil pan and suddenly get oil starvation but your going to blame it on poor design? WOW!!!!


My 'ex of 6 years was an Infiniti Master Tech, so I do have SOME background information on the SR20 and service issues... any SR20 car that came in with engine 'spun bearings' had a dented oil pan, and/or improper oil changes and/or was turboed without proper upgrades.. see any correlation yet?

But you are saying you know more than me huh? okay mr mighty VW tech.. You probably know more than me when it comes to working on cars (I'm actually sure you do).. and I should hope so if your a tech for a living.. I never once said I was a mechanic or tech nor do I pretend to be one.


..but to hear you slam the SR20 like that... WOW!!!!! So maybe you got a lemon (happens in any car) or ignored things like bent oil pans (it even happens to mighty techs) I don't know, I'm not a tech but you or a few people having the issue does not make the sr20 a bad engine...

I guess I'm one of the few people that thinks an engine that can make it over 200k without incident is a GOOD thing. lol

And oh yeah, I can buy a used SR20 motor for $350-$500 but VW R32 engine would cost me how much? $3k used, over $7500 at the VW dealer.. lol... Thus I street the R32 and TRACK the POS 95 G20 with the disposable engine that doesn't quit on us as easily as other engines.

[Grzesiu]

That's funny as hell because I've owned several SR20 powered cars and been on g20 and other sr20 forums for years and yeah, I hear of people blowing their motor who have turboed, put on aftermarket WAI or CAI or other crap but have heard of more who have tons of miles on the original engine.

Too many oil changes? No such thing!!! That is comical. You can change the oil every 10 miles if you want and it won't hurt the engine.

More often what happens is people IGNORE a bent and dented oil pan and suddenly get oil starvation but your going to blame it on poor design? WOW!!!!


My 'ex of 6 years was an Infiniti Master Tech, so I do have SOME background information on the SR20 and service issues... any SR20 car that came in with engine 'spun bearings' had a dented oil pan, and/or improper oil changes and/or was turboed without proper upgrades.. see any correlation yet?

But you are saying you know more than me huh? okay mr mighty VW tech.. You probably know more than me when it comes to working on cars (I'm actually sure you do).. and I should hope so if your a tech for a living.. I never once said I was a mechanic or tech nor do I pretend to be one.


..but to hear you slam the SR20 like that... WOW!!!!! So maybe you got a lemon (happens in any car) or ignored things like bent oil pans (it even happens to mighty techs) I don't know, I'm not a tech but you or a few people having the issue does not make the sr20 a bad engine...

I guess I'm one of the few people that thinks an engine that can make it over 200k without incident is a GOOD thing. lol

And oh yeah, I can buy a used SR20 motor for $350-$500 but VW R32 engine would cost me how much? $3k used, over $7500 at the VW dealer.. lol... Thus I street the R32 and TRACK the POS 95 G20 with the disposable engine that doesn't quit on us as easily as other engines.
long story short i blew up an r32 @ work while test driving it on a boring sat night, mike's cousin actually fixed it, balance shaft bolt came out rpms went down...and rest is history 4500$ later car was good as new
and as to motors, sr20, vq, etc etc are good motors, if you produce 100K of those, and 1000 of those go bad, that's only 1%, pretty good if you ask me
lexus audi/vw sludge issues, etc, etc nobody is perfect
lets all kiss and make up
AVr8GEn5yJA

[walec05]

That's funny as hell because I've owned several SR20 powered cars and been on g20 and other sr20 forums for years and yeah, I hear of people blowing their motor who have turboed, put on aftermarket WAI or CAI or other crap but have heard of more who have tons of miles on the original engine.

Too many oil changes? No such thing!!! That is comical. You can change the oil every 10 miles if you want and it won't hurt the engine.

More often what happens is people IGNORE a bent and dented oil pan and suddenly get oil starvation but your going to blame it on poor design? WOW!!!!


My 'ex of 6 years was an Infiniti Master Tech, so I do have SOME background information on the SR20 and service issues... any SR20 car that came in with engine 'spun bearings' had a dented oil pan, and/or improper oil changes and/or was turboed without proper upgrades.. see any correlation yet?

But you are saying you know more than me huh? okay mr mighty VW tech.. You probably know more than me when it comes to working on cars (I'm actually sure you do).. and I should hope so if your a tech for a living.. I never once said I was a mechanic or tech nor do I pretend to be one.


..but to hear you slam the SR20 like that... WOW!!!!! So maybe you got a lemon (happens in any car) or ignored things like bent oil pans (it even happens to mighty techs) I don't know, I'm not a tech but you or a few people having the issue does not make the sr20 a bad engine...

I guess I'm one of the few people that thinks an engine that can make it over 200k without incident is a GOOD thing. lol

And oh yeah, I can buy a used SR20 motor for $350-$500 but VW R32 engine would cost me how much? $3k used, over $7500 at the VW dealer.. lol... Thus I street the R32 and TRACK the POS 95 G20 with the disposable engine that doesn't quit on us as easily as other engines.

hes an acura tech btw.....not VW

[walec05]

Versa
0–60 mph 9.1 sec
0–100 mph 25.5 sec
0–1320 ft (1/4 mile) 16.7 sec @ 84.1 mp
Our mileage, EPA city/highway 32.5, 30/34 mpg


wow yeah, last night it felt like 0-30 took half an hour. fuck yo stats, they is wrong.

[Chris]

ah.. okay.. sorry for thinking THE BOSS was a VW tech (made false assumption when the comment was made about getting discount for the VW at work) I apologize.


BTW: Not that anyone cares but I've yet to see an SR20 that has issues at the roadcourse (I don't know about 1/4 mile) and we logged over 4200 track roadrace miles on an engine that already had 110k miles on it in 2008.


BUT I do (Ironicly) see a Honda or Acura have an issue EVERY SINGLE time I go to a track.. lol... Honestly I think its more USER error with missed shifts but people tend NOT to admit they missed a shift. I will never forget this one time I was at gingerman and a guy in front of me 'missed a shift' and it was painfully obvious (I could hear it clear as day) and I backed way off when I heard it and sure enough pieces, smoke and oil all over the track and his Integra was toast YET he didn't want to admit he missed a shift... lol

I can only wonder how many 'spun bearings' on manual SR20 cars are missed shifts that an owner won't admit.

[TurTLe]

this thread is EPIC!!!!! PB & J TIME!!!!!!

[walec05]

this thread is EPIC!!!!! PB & J TIME!!!!!!

no dont!!!! you might die. just do the J, no PB.

[Grzesiu]

wow yeah, last night it felt like 0-30 took half an hour. fuck yo stats, they is wrong.

:slap: i detuned it for ya lolz

[DasTeknoViking]

I USED to work for Nissan when they still built B14s and their car's stood for something.
I worked for Audi, Hyundai, Isuzu, Suzuki, Subaru, independent shop - german mostly, and now Acura for 8th year now.

I had a SR20DET swapped B13 back in 1997.

[Chris]

okay.. that makes more sense then that a DET had 'spun bearings' because they can only handle so much power without proper upgrades.

I was talking about regular SR20 (NON det, not VE or VET) engines.. and change things like cams, etc. and all bets are off because I often wonder if people did the install correctly, break in properly, etc. (I guess I'm just skeptical when a bunch of 20somethings get together for a weekend and install a cam -- especially when I see 2 of the guys standing over the open VC eating a donut and I just imagine crumbs falling into the motor)

I have never owned a DET but part of that reason is people always seemed to have issues with them and constantly had to tune and tinker with them. I'm not a mechanic so I obviously didn't want to deal with a 'high maintenance' turbo setup.

[walec05]

:slap: i detuned it for ya lolz

yep, i felt the detuning in action while i was in morning traffic to school. man that clutch is short and catches really low. no stalls, but some crappy starts.

oh well, thank god i get my slush box back tonight. finally i can talk, eat and shave at the same time. i wont have to worry about shifting too......

[DasTeknoViking]

Just to let you know, I had a SR20 seize on my brother when a oil pump puked out.

It was my 93 SE-R he drove, destroyed my OE motor and I ended up putting a JDM in there. I used to do SOKO motors in local dudes on the side, I even had a "wholesale" account with SOKO for all the diff motor swaps I would do.

DET, VEs, GTi-Rs.... they all spin bearings. The only thing is 54C blocks which where used by Nissan for GTi-Rs and all the motorsports.... had a 360 deg oil groove cut into the bearings to help with lubrication of the journals. How do I know ? Last DE I built into a DET with GTi-R guts.... got that stuff ;) Never made into the car thou as I sold my SE-R and had no car to stuff that motor into. Parted out and sold it.

[Feus]

okay.. that makes more sense then that a DET had 'spun bearings' because they can only handle so much power without proper upgrades.

I was talking about regular SR20 (NON det, not VE or VET) engines.. and change things like cams, etc. and all bets are off because I often wonder if people did the install correctly, break in properly, etc. (I guess I'm just skeptical when a bunch of 20somethings get together for a weekend and install a cam -- especially when I see 2 of the guys standing over the open VC eating a donut and I just imagine crumbs falling into the motor)

I have never owned a DET but part of that reason is people always seemed to have issues with them and constantly had to tune and tinker with them. I'm not a mechanic so I obviously didn't want to deal with a 'high maintenance' turbo setup.


Just to let you know, I had a SR20 seize on my brother when a oil pump puked out.

It was my 93 SE-R he drove, destroyed my OE motor and I ended up putting a JDM in there. I used to do SOKO motors in local dudes on the side, I even had a "wholesale" account with SOKO for all the diff motor swaps I would do.

DET, VEs, GTi-Rs.... they all spin bearings. The only thing is 54C blocks which where used by Nissan for GTi-Rs and all the motorsports.... had a 360 deg oil groove cut into the bearings to help with lubrication of the journals. How do I know ? Last DE I built into a DET with GTi-R guts.... got that stuff ;) Never made into the car thou as I sold my SE-R and had no car to stuff that motor into. Parted out and sold it.

Thanks for prooving the point thats been reiterated. :)

[kerosene]

wooo i just got 28.176miles/gallon

[Mr.Duck]

i hate you

[Chris]

drove all around today on errands (all city stop n go driving) and computer said overall average of 23.1mpg so not too bad for an AWD v6 VW!!!

[wizard8873]

On the altima, i was getting around 22-24 and that's with mixed driving. wasn't very gentle with it either anymore. when i was in the summer, got 30-32mpg in the city several times but with gas being so low, i figured might as well enjoy it while i can. the M gets about 16.5 - 18mpg mixed driving so far.

[Kowalski]

the M gets about 16.5 - 18mpg mixed driving so far.

welcome to the 15-18 club :D

[wizard8873]

welcome to the 15-18 club :D

it's worth it. altima felt sluggish once i had more than two people in it. i know it was still quick but i could feel the difference. with this, even with 4 people and the car weighing 700+lbs more than the altima, it still launched like a rocket and i could feel it too. i was seeing about 8mpg city the first day though

[maxedmatt]

I get anywhere between 15-20MPG in the winter in my maxima. Varies alot week to week.
Sadly its the same gas milage I get out of my T/A...

[walec05]

man this is BS, complete freakin BS.

i drive like an old fart to conserve on gas, i mean like slow starts, slow stops....no quick blips of the throttle, 60-65mph on the highway, in cruise as much as i can. my car hasnt seen 3500rpm since i dont know when. and what do i get for it...............16.08 MPG seriousily WTF????

i did avg it out over two week, i thought the first week was a fluke. shit to this. im driving like an asshole. its not like it matters. i get like 16-18 mpg as it is anyway.

[wizard8873]

man this is BS, complete freakin BS.

i drive like an old fart to conserve on gas, i mean like slow starts, slow stops....no quick blips of the throttle, 60-65mph on the highway, in cruise as much as i can. my car hasnt seen 3500rpm since i dont know when. and what do i get for it...............16.08 MPG seriousily WTF????

i did avg it out over two week, i thought the first week was a fluke. shit to this. im driving like an asshole. its not like it matters. i get like 16-18 mpg as it is anyway.

was the same with my car for a while until i really started babying the altima. got 30-32 city a few times during summer like i said. if i drive it normal and sorta baby it, the mpg is quite similar. noticed this with the sentra and the eclipse, i really had to baby them to get more than i usually average. i got that kind of mileage out of the altima keeping it under 2000rpms and cruised 70mph max on the highway.

[walec05]

ya im done with baybing the cars. i wont be super rough, but im not going to be a freakin angle either.

[wizard8873]

no point right now unless you're really trying to pinch money. if it was $5 then yea, i can see it but not now

[Kowalski]

i would blame the winter formula for the poor mpgs... i always got horrible numbers in the winter months as opposed to the summer... also, i'm guessing you are driving with the heater on...

[wizard8873]

i would blame the winter formula for the poor mpgs... i always got horrible numbers in the winter months as opposed to the summer... also, i'm guessing you are driving with the heater on...

well, might be a combination of things. cold be the winter formula, running heat since some cars use A/C with it automatically, and the fact that it's just cold. i know engines make more power in colder weather but doesn't it affect its mpg?

[walec05]

yeah, im running heater and all that bs. fuck it, im not trying for good mpg anymore. ill still roll on the highway at like 65-70. but thats because i dont need another ticket.

[DasTeknoViking]

My car runs for 10-15 min in the morning now in the garage with the door open before I head out to work...

Depending on how I drive -aka how late to work I am, I can get 26-27MPG or 20MPG. So its usually mixed around 22 lately because I have a heavy foot on the highway and someone always wants to play with me. I didn't de-limit my car for a reason :P

[Mr.Duck]

with the weather warming up, my fuel consumption has gone down, the miles i'm getting w/ the amount of fuel left is a lot higher.. i think the weather has a lot to do with this weather, cuz the last time the weather warmed up for that 1 day, my gas mileage went up a single mpg! lol and it seems like its going back up for me right now also..

[Jaber]

^ x2

With the milage I got now, I would of had to go fill up. But I know I can squeeze another 80miles out of it.

[DasTeknoViking]

mine has gone up since my trip to Mexico caused my LF upper mount to go bad.... which caused me to drive slower because of all the nasty clunking.

220 miles and I am on half a tank !!

[Grzesiu]

averaged 12 today in the city with the vette:badger::badger::badger::badger:, 28mpg crusing 65-70 to work on the 90, didn't drive it since that one decent day after those big rains in December:banana

[walec05]

yeah, my mileage when up a bit. im just below half a tank at 152miles. which is damn good. i guess the warmer weather and beating on the car help a bit. i bet it was carbon buildup in the motor. i hit redline a few times, that should have cleared it away.....

lets see what kind of mileage i get when i fill up now.

[wizard8873]

165 so far and just a bit above half tanks. might just break 300 miles to a tank this time around

[Kowalski]

lol, i refilled last night and i had 299.8 miles :D

[ColombianMax]

I expect to get better numbers out of next tankful of gas. I finally did my front valve cover gasket/tube seals yesterday since I didnt do the front when I did the rear cuz it was so damn cold in my garage back in december.

The middle tube was drenched in oil making the coil and sparkplug super wet. After having dried all and replaced seals...the car felt more smoother and gas needle stayed in the same spot after quite a few miles driven all day today.

[Kowalski]

does the car still turn off if you brake too hard? :D

[walec05]

so i forgot to report. last week when i went and filled up my car ig averaged a whopping 18.03 mpg.

now that is probably due to the warmer weather we had, and i beat the crap out of the car as well. hit redline a few times, drove like an ass. merge in and out of traffic, jack rabbit starts.

nice, got to do more of that, seems that my mileage increases with my asshole mood

[DasTeknoViking]

Great another minivan driver thinks he drives a Gayardo....

Slow the fuck down pops.

[walec05]

Great another minivan driver thinks he drives a Gayardo....

Slow the fuck down pops.

hell yeah.

got to take them kids to soccer practice.

[nismo3112]

Got 26.xx mpg mixed this weekend going to the car show in my parents' Avalon.

[megaderk]

i cant believe im getting 13 MPG in my '90 coupe 240sx.

[Mr.Duck]

i cant believe im getting 13 MPG in my '90 coupe 240sx.

stop driving like a lil ricer trying to drift around turns :faintthud: :hide: haha jk... maybe somethings wrong w/ the engine? a sensor is bad and you're running rich?

[Chris]

last tank in the B15 was 31mph.. Woot!

[Mr.Duck]

31 mpH???? wow thats slow.... lol

[Chris]

31 mpH???? wow thats slow.... lol

lmao.. caught my typo... I'm good like that...

31mpg mpGallon :P

[wizard8873]

i cant believe im getting 13 MPG in my '90 coupe 240sx.

damn, my V8 gets better mileage than that

[RobSE]

^he's a mad tyte jdm drifter :runcold:

[megaderk]

i get 13
haha. it sucks

[Mr.Duck]

i get 13
haha. it sucks

There has to be something wrong if you are getting 13.. or are you hitting redline from every stop? lol

[walec05]

so my latest and greatest gas mileage has been around 19mpg. plus or minus a mile.

[JDM180SX]

My stock 92 240 (auto) gets about 18ish, but in my SR'd 90 (manual & sold) I used to get appx. 22-25 average in the winter. 30 + in the summer and more if i laid off the boost. I guess my excuse to swap an SR into my 92 is gonna be better gas mileage. =)

[Jaber]

The grandma got 22MPG city this tank, used the A/C on Saturday to test if it still works nice and chill.

[MEMPHIS]

I get 15mpg, downhill

[walec05]

i just calculated my new mileage......came out to be 42mpg. i was hoping for more.

[Mr.Duck]

i just calculated my new mileage......came out to be 42mpg. i was hoping for more.

hahaha fuck you man.....

[wizard8873]

hahaha fuck you man.....

i got 40mpg yesterday. in 4th gear most of the time and doing 80-90 on the way to paul's :hide:

[walec05]

i got 40mpg yesterday. in 4th gear most of the time and doing 80-90 on the way to paul's :hide:

yeah, i kept it in 5th gear most of the time on the way back to the city doing about 80-90.

but then again. we were hitting it hard cruisin around with gregs peeps, and it was always up there in 3rd gear at like 8-9k rpm. so that kind of killed the mileage. i even managed to get it up to 13-14k in 2nd a few times.

[wizard8873]

yeah, i kept it in 5th gear most of the time on the way back to the city doing about 80-90.

but then again. we were hitting it hard cruisin around with gregs peeps, and it was always up there in 3rd gear at like 8-9k rpm. so that kind of killed the mileage. i even managed to get it up to 13-14k in 2nd a few times.

hehe, i kept it around 5-6 in 4th and was doing great. love that midrange torque of the triple

[walec05]

hehe, i kept it around 5-6 in 4th and was doing great. love that midrange torque of the triple

yeah, everytime the liter guys would do a strong pull, id have to downshift and get that sucker up there in the revvs. but hey, didnt bother me. i hardly used the clutch anyway. just when stopping or starting.

[Grzesiu]

yeah, everytime the liter guys would do a strong pull, id have to downshift and get that sucker up there in the revvs. but hey, didnt bother me. i hardly used the clutch anyway. just when stopping or starting.

yeah the 1k pulls hard with no down shifting, even with a passanger and my fat @$$ hehehe

maciek downshifts that 600 hard!!! the thing screams for mercy heeh

[wizard8873]

yeah, everytime the liter guys would do a strong pull, id have to downshift and get that sucker up there in the revvs. but hey, didnt bother me. i hardly used the clutch anyway. just when stopping or starting.

hehe, not me unless i was in 5th or 6th. stayed in 3rd and 4th most of the run, while it has power lower, from 6k and on it just pulls

[walec05]

maciek downshifts that 600 hard!!! the thing screams for mercy heeh

yeah, mine screamed a bit yesterday too......like kinky sex, it loves the beatings.

[Grzesiu]

yeah, mine screamed a bit yesterday too......like kinky sex, it loves the beatings.

i didn't hear your bike too quiet:bored:

[wizard8873]

i didn't hear your bike too quiet:bored:

+1, could barely hear it even when he was next to me.

[walec05]

yeah, ill have to work on that.

and i just came back from the little cruise and running errands and damn. my mileage when down. only got 34.5 mpg between yesterdays riding and todays runs.

[wizard8873]

yeah, ill have to work on that.

and i just came back from the little cruise and running errands and damn. my mileage when down. only got 34.5 mpg between yesterdays riding and todays runs.

i seem to be around 38-40 regularly regardless of whether it's highway or city. get close to 135 a tank and light comes on at 3.5 of the 4.1 gallons used.

[Grzesiu]

yeah, ill have to work on that.

and i just came back from the little cruise and running errands and damn. my mileage when down. only got 34.5 mpg between yesterdays riding and todays runs.

looking at the gas mileage on sport bike is :pounce:
buy a 250, watch ur mileage then lol

[wizard8873]

looking at the gas mileage on sport bike is :pounce:
buy a 250, watch ur mileage then lol

no gas gauge for me so i have to know the mpg.

[Grzesiu]

no gas gauge for me so i have to know the mpg.

that is what the empty light is for:)

[walec05]

yeah, i filled up 2.6 gal today with 90miles on the trip. so i can probably get a good 180-200 miles out of the tank when in reserve and all.

not bad if you ask me. and i have to agree with greg, looking at mileage sux, but i havent seen numbers like these in a while. im usually at 19mpg.

[Mr.Duck]

looking at the gas mileage on sport bike is :pounce:
buy a 250, watch ur mileage then lol

haha, one of the main reasons why ill prolly end up w/ a 250..... i'm a cheap ass...

[wizard8873]

that is what the empty light is for:)

with my luck, i'll wait and then find myself in the middle of nowhere with no gas lmao

[Grzesiu]

yeah, i filled up 2.6 gal today with 90miles on the trip. so i can probably get a good 180-200 miles out of the tank when in reserve and all.

not bad if you ask me. and i have to agree with greg, looking at mileage sux, but i havent seen numbers like these in a while. im usually at 19mpg.

130 the reserve will come on the 600
got 160 out of my 600 once, but it was boring

if you want to maximize your gas mileage you have to shift @5k rpm at the latest, since 5500 secondary injectors kick in
that's right, 8 injectors baby:)

[walec05]

haha, one of the main reasons why ill prolly end up w/ a 250..... i'm a cheap ass...

dude, with a 250, youll be loving the gas mileage, but you will be hating yourself for getting one. you will be bored of it the same damn day you get it.

[Mr.Duck]

dude, with a 250, youll be loving the gas mileage, but you will be hating yourself for getting one. you will be bored of it the same damn day you get it.

meh... my cheapness will get the best of me... haha eventually i may get a 250 for regular commuting, like to school and work, then get a larger bike for fun times, who knows.... either way, i wont be getting a bike for a while...

[Grzesiu]

meh... my cheapness will get the best of me... haha eventually i may get a 250 for regular commuting, like to school and work, then get a larger bike for fun times, who knows.... either way, i wont be getting a bike for a while...

just do it, everyone is doing in
plus ur pimp factor will go through the roof lol

[Mr.Duck]

just do it, everyone is doing in
plus ur pimp factor will go through the roof lol

lol @ pimp factor...

[walec05]

just do it, everyone is doing in
plus ur pimp factor will go through the roof lol

werd. it does....chikas be always lookin at you. just ask marcin how many looks we got on harlem....oh yeah.

[Kowalski]

just ask marcin how many looks we got on harlem....oh yeah.

:redcard: stop including guys in your counts...